convs. between psychowork and daggers1

15th November 2005

Saara: (})
Sound of Silence: Saaraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa;)
Saara: :)
Sound of Silence: ({)
Sound of Silence: salam
Saara: y do u like stretcin ma name so much
Saara: :P
Saara: wassalam
Sound of Silence: how come u are online right now
Saara: warahmatullah
Saara: hi wabarkatuhu
Sound of Silence: i dont know:) but i like it ..
Sound of Silence: hehehe
Saara: kal raat ko sofia was online ... a college mate tol her kay aj ki class cancel ho gai hai
awww
Saara: aww?
Saara: are u alright ?
Sound of Silence: yes i am fine
Sound of Silence: aww <<< coz u dont have class
Saara: :-O... who says i like goin to class?
Saara: im ova the moon
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: actually the guy who tol her ... is a complete liar ....
Saara: i think he was lyin again
Saara: par i don care ..
Saara: any excuse to miss the class
Sound of Silence: lol now thats funny:)
Saara: kiun?
coz he lied to you
Saara: nah
Saara: im jus sayin he mustav ...
oh ok
Saara: i cant b SURE that he did
Sound of Silence: hmmm ...ok
Saara: :P
Saara: so ...
Saara: wassup ?
Sound of Silence: nothing much...just came from a meeting
Saara: ahan
Saara: wat was it about ?
Sound of Silence: will have another meeting after 1 hour
Sound of Silence: besides this u are always on my mind...:)
Saara: :P
Saara: wat was it about ?
Saara: the meeting?
Sound of Silence: its about my new venture...
Saara: the present?
Sound of Silence: we had a meeting with the venture capitalist firm
Saara: woah ...!!!!
Sound of Silence: they will invest as partner...etc
Saara: eng plz
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: enture capitalist firm?
Saara: venture*
Sound of Silence: yes
Saara: ^o)
Saara: what is a venture capitalist firm ?
Sound of Silence: i mean venture capital firm....they invest in projects and ideas
Saara: u mean ... that's all they DO as a firm ?
Sound of Silence: they invest as a partner and rest is you...
Sound of Silence: they become a part of venture not the whole company
Sound of Silence: ..u there
Sound of Silence: (F)
Saara: yes im her
Saara: here*
Saara: ur messages werent reachin me
Sound of Silence: ok
Saara: khair ... u din ans a qs
?
Saara: u mean ... that's all they DO as a firm ?
Sound of Silence: yes
Sound of Silence: in a simple word yes they only do investment
Saara: ahan .....
Saara: nic e...
Saara: wats its name ?
Sound of Silence: but its not easy they review your proposal..you have ot submit o many reports..audit reviews, your profile..etc
Sound of Silence: its long process
Sound of Silence: it took me 6 months
Saara: y do u need them ?
Sound of Silence: well i have already invested so much in 2 company, and now i dont want to invest my own saving as its new company and breakeven could take a year so its better to have someone's else investment and you can play on it..thats what good businessman usually do
Saara: lol.... matlab ... exp kartay kartay sath main apni tareef bhi kar di :P
Sound of Silence: heheheheh
Saara: khair ... i only know of TWO of ur businesses wats the third?
Saara: zypherlogics, quantus n ?
Sound of Silence: its kumon
Saara: ahan
Saara: n wat does it do ?
Sound of Silence: www.kumon.com and www.edexcel-international.org exclusive rights for pakistan
Sound of Silence: compmany name will remain Quantus
Saara: oh man!
Saara: cant u jus tell me ?
Sound of Silence: its all related to eductaion
Saara: im not even done with the earlier two u gave me
Sound of Silence: ima just trying and rst is allahs will
Sound of Silence: so no hope no luck ;)..only struggle
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: :)
Saara: so... the newest venture comes under quantus ... basically ?
Saara: what is ur part in 'kumon'?
Sound of Silence: yes...
Sound of Silence: regional right
Sound of Silence: i am trying to have kumon rights for southasia
Sound of Silence: then ill offer this to all the schools in this region
Saara: hmmm...
Saara: when u say ... u want to gain regional right ... does that mean ... after u achieve that ... it bcomes exclusively ur property ? (i southasia )
Saara: or ur jus bein given permission to use it ?
Sound of Silence: yes
Sound of Silence: but i cant use for my own purpose only..i have to sell franchise to all the school in the region
Saara: arghh! this is gettin more confusin
Saara: the 'yes' was for the first or the second qs/
Saara: ?
Sound of Silence: 1 qs
Sound of Silence: for the first qs
Saara: hik thik ...
Saara: but ummm... after uv got the rights ... doesnt mean nobody else can haina /
Saara: ?
Sound of Silence: yes ...everyone will contact us then
Saara: so the ans to my qs is 'NO'?
Sound of Silence: yaar kumon is way of teaching
Sound of Silence: i cant run all the school to have kumon
Sound of Silence: i am buyin the regional rights so i can make money by selling it to schools
Saara: yah ... but ur using it as a commodity ...
Sound of Silence: yes
Saara: bas thik hai ... abhi aur damagh khapai nahi karsakti main
Sound of Silence: lol
Sound of Silence: :)
Saara: :P
Sound of Silence: (H)
:P
saara sent the wink "Water Balloon"
Saara: lol...
Saara: did i tell u ...?
Saara: weneva somebody send me this wink
Saara: i duck :D
Sound of Silence: heheh
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: the first time it was sent to me ... i instinctively did so ...
Saara: then i started laughing uproriously ...
Saara: sofia tot id gone mad ...
Saara: i was so ludicrous:D
Sound of Silence: heheh
Sound of Silence sent the wink "Lightbulb"
Sound of Silence: :)
Saara: lol
Saara: ok...
Saara: ur turn ...
Saara: way somfin
Sound of Silence: hmmm
Sound of Silence: yaar as i said ..been busy iwth meetings...etc and u
Saara: ji nahi ..
Saara: u dont get off so easy
Saara: pay back time ...
Sound of Silence: hehehe
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: u never say anythin online
Saara: woh to khair phone pay bhi ziada nahi kartay
Saara: c ... me clickin away
Sound of Silence: well as u cant say anything on phone then i cant say anything online:)
NOT a good excuse ...
Sound of Silence: its not a excuse its a reason
Saara: u neva accept mine wen i say so
Saara: thr u go again ...
Sound of Silence: *ignored;)
Saara: then u say ... I 'play with words'
Saara: guess who i got the germs from ?
Saara: (*ignored )dosnt matter
Sound of Silence: heheh
Saara: wat time is the next meeting ?
Sound of Silence: comon say somthing
Saara: wow!!!
Sound of Silence: after 1 hour
Saara: u have the audacity !
Saara: abh i bhi after an hour ?
Saara: wat time ?
Sound of Silence: hmmm 1:15
Saara: are u ready for it ?
Saara: (hands on ma hips)
Sound of Silence: lol
Sound of Silence: :)
well ?
Sound of Silence: i cant wait to have my passport from malay consulate...;)
u din ans ma qs sir ...!
Sound of Silence: yes i am ready for it
Saara: ahan
Saara: ud better not b 'deceiving' me
Sound of Silence: heheh..i came from office around 5:00 in the morning coz we were busy in making reports and etc for the same
Sound of Silence: so dont have energy left to work more on this presentation:)
Saara: ^o) i knew it !!
Saara: bas ... stop talkin to ur sweetheart ...
Saara: go work!
Saara: men!
Sound of Silence: comon its ok
Saara: lol...
Saara: gotcha !
Sound of Silence: you know what i feel relax when i talk to you
Sound of Silence: trust me i do feel relax
Saara: :P
Saara: ahn
Sound of Silence: i enjoy more talking to you then anything so thats u can always find me in office..
Saara: i tot i was boring
Saara: hmmm... u associate me wid ur OFFICE?
Saara: typical :P
Sound of Silence: i spent more itme in my office then any other place and talking ot you...besides these two thing i dont get time for other stuff
Sound of Silence: so most of the time friends even come to office
Saara: lol...
Saara: tsk tsk ... if they knew bout me ... they'd curse me
Sound of Silence: yaar i mean to say i dont go out for dinner..etc ,much coz you already fullfill my enjoy ment quota so rest of the time i spent in office
Sound of Silence: they wont curse you they will be shock3ed
Sound of Silence: :)
brb
Sound of Silence: ok
Saara: ummm
Saara: choti khala agai hain
Saara: gotta go
Saara: Allah hafi z
Saara: hello ?
Sound of Silence: ?
Sound of Silence: Sound of Silence: ok
take care
Saara: will do .. at least ill try
Sound of Silence: hey i wanan call you so tell me what the time?
Saara: ^o) hmmm... frequency ?
Sound of Silence: hehehe
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: sigh ... i give up
Saara: ok ...
Sound of Silence: :P
Saara: ummm
Saara: like yester day
Sound of Silence: ok fine its gonna be very small call..promise
Saara: par after maghrib
Sound of Silence: just wanan hear ur voice
Sound of Silence: ok
Sound of Silence: done
Saara: nah ... ab call aigi
Saara: to id had better b lon g
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: but then ... baat koi hogi nahi karnay ko
Saara: khair
Saara: gotta go ...
Sound of Silence: ok thats great;)
Saara: :P
Sound of Silence: ok
Saara: (})
Sound of Silence: take care
Saara: k
LOve YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saara: :D
Sound of Silence: ({)
Sound of Silence: Allah Hafiz
Saara: Allah hafi z

convs. between psychowork and daggers1

11th November 2005

Saara: :)
Sound of Silence: brb
Saara: k
saara sent the wink "Dancer"
Sound of Silence: hi
Saara: 'lo
Saara: kia haal hian
Saara: i got loads to tell u
Sound of Silence: sorry i was busy on the phone with customer
Saara: no prob ...
Sound of Silence: ok tell me
Saara: iv gotten used to it
Saara: :P
Sound of Silence: i am waiting:)
Saara: well
Saara: yesterday morning i talked to mama
Saara: 'told' her more like
Sound of Silence: ooooo
Saara: subah subah 6 30 mama nay jagaya ...
Saara: i swear utter neend main thi ..
Saara: par i got this urgent feeling kay bas abhi batana hai warna kabhi nahi hofga
Saara: my exact words " uhhh... haider is coming on 15th ... he says he's going to talk to mama"
Saara: aur meri mama ... so cool !!!!
Saara: says
Saara: " nak panggil kat rumah ke macam mana "
Saara: which translates to ...
Saara: " acha , ghar bulana hai ya kis tarah"
Saara: lol
Saara: mera to damagh stall hi kar gia
Saara: matlab ... abhi bandi so kay uthi hai ...
Sound of Silence: ol
Saara: i had been expecting her to say
Saara: kay kia baat karni hai
Saara: but no !
Sound of Silence: so u didnt tell her the main objective
Saara: of coure not!!!
Saara: im tellin u
Saara: she knew wat i was talkin bout
Sound of Silence: are u sure
Saara: OF COURSE
Sound of Silence: so what was her reaction
Saara: muje bhi lag raha tha shuru main kay the conv has deviated from whr it was supposed to go
Saara: phir muje khial aya
Saara: 'who the hell am i fooling'
Saara: she's MY mother
Saara: of course she knows
Saara: :D
Saara: reaction ...
Saara: like i tol
Saara: din give a clur
Saara: clue
Sound of Silence: i mean what do u think about her decision
Saara: she's again like me ... she wudnt have decided yet ... she's gonna wait to see what u have to say ... then she'll decide ...
Saara: don't worry
Saara: she's not exaclty the obstacle
Sound of Silence: she knows what i have to say but i want to know what she have to say
Saara: the obstacles are other things which are obscure to me also
Sound of Silence: like what?
Sound of Silence: you mean ur education?
Saara: she knows what u have to say ... but not how u say it
Saara: no
Saara: not my education ...
Saara: i dunno yet what they are ..
Sound of Silence: your father?
Saara: but im sure they exist
Saara: things are goin a bit too smoothly
Saara: possible
Sound of Silence: -roblem exist everywhere and with everyone
Saara: yeah i know ...
Saara: argh!
Saara: i jus meant MAMA is not one of them
Sound of Silence: ok
Saara: jus behave urself wen u come :P
Sound of Silence: dont u worry
Sound of Silence: you havnt seen my life performance yet...all u know is the phone version of haider;)
Sound of Silence: nshallah i wont disaapoint you..i am confident
Sound of Silence: ({)
Sound of Silence: (F)
Saara: khair mama seems to be least concerned bout wat u hav e to say at the moment
Saara: kal jo mai nai baat ki
Saara: to mama ko is baat ki ziada fikr thi ...
Saara: kay ghar main sofa nahi ...
Saara: iski bhi zara history sunay ...
Saara: jab say v'v moved in ... mama's been after gettin a sofa ..
Saara: par i'v been against it
Saara: coz the apartment is so tiny ...
Saara: matlab ... abhi jitna furniture hay
Saara: is like more than enuff...
Sound of Silence: ok:) bytheway sofa..etc say koi fark nahee pertaa saara
Saara: i know
Saara: GOD!!!!
Saara: i meant ... mama was least concerned bout ...
Saara: argh
Saara: ur hopeless
Saara: matlab ... meri marzi ho to main ap ko zameen pay hi bitha doon
Saara: :P
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: khair
Saara: woh to aik baat
Saara: dusra
Saara: sofia asked me yesterday ..
Saara: koi teen dafa pucha us nay muj say
Saara: call nahi ai ?
Saara: n finally
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: im like
Saara: tum khud moun bana kay baith gai thi us din
Saara: mai n nai mana kar dia
Saara: poor girl mustav felt really guilty
Saara: raat ko muje kahti hai
Saara: 'main soch rahi thi'
Sound of Silence: bolna thaa frequencey change kerwaee hai mainay;)
Saara: kay haider say kahna ...
Saara: he can call at nite'
Sound of Silence: hehe..thats so SWEEEEEEET
Saara: 'coz tab mam a ka mobile bhi hota hai main radio us pay sun sakti hoon '
Saara: yeah :D
Saara: BUT ...
Saara: im jus tellin u kay us nay kia kaha
Saara: that does not mea
Saara: mean
Saara: u can got back to the same frequency :P
Saara: go*
Sound of Silence: hehehe....thats a very saarish comment:)
Saara: (by the way ... thori dair main landlord ki family arahi hai eid milnay .. to woh jaisay hi aingay i'll go offline ... till wat time are u online?)
Saara: seriously !!! thr are like a million girls out thr
Saara: jo isi tarah baat karti hain
Sound of Silence: i ll get offline in a while...coz i have to go
Saara: ahan ...
Saara: chalo
Saara: wait a sec
Saara: i was talkin to a frd earlier
Saara: us ka conv parhain
Saara: *-) or shud i giv it ? for u to read?
Sound of Silence: hey just remember that i love you a lot and dont wana loose you at any cost :$*BLUSHok...
Saara: :P
Sound of Silence: :)
Saara: rite :P
Sound of Silence: OK ILL READ
Saara: saara says: oh sorry sorry
saara says: haan
saara says: here's ma shoulder
saara says: cry all u want
saara says: ...n tell mommy
momina says: okay...(slur slur) saara says: wats troubling u ?
saara says: lol
saara says: ugh!!!!!!!!!
saara says: get away from me
momina says: thought u said use my shoulder...
momina says:
saara says: yeah but not DROOL on it
saara says: ugh!!!
saara says: disgusting!!!
momina says: haha
Sound of Silence: LOL
Saara: saara says: haan to masla kia hai ?
momina says: ok ok
momina says: yaar barray maslay hain
momina says: pehla masla tau
momina says: im missing u alot
saara says: yeah rite...
momina says:
saara says: ahaha
momina says:
saara says:
saara says:
momina says: get lost!
saara says: lol
saara says: that sounds more like momi
Sound of Silence: :) HEHE
Saara: the empty spaces are smileys jo kay copy nahi ho rahay
Sound of Silence: LOL..OK
Saara: saara says:
momina says: ek tau itna precious flying kiss bhejja all the way to malaysia
momina says: ooper say khhottee
saara says: haan
momina says: daffa ho...gadhi
Sound of Silence: HEHE..LOL
Saara: :P
Saara: do u really find it funny
Saara: or ur bein sarcasti c
Saara: momina says: accha jee....tau wherez my eid card
saara says: to mat bhaijti
saara says: ok
saara says: bye
momina says: ive had a fight wth fati
saara says: oh
saara says: lol
saara says: hmmm
saara says: sooo!!!!
Sound of Silence: I find it funny they u both are arguing..
Sound of Silence: lol
Sound of Silence: it seems u both are quite close firends
Sound of Silence: *freinds
Sound of Silence: *friends..
Sound of Silence: hey SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARA
Saara: momina says: im jealous
momina says:
saara says: yeh sab dramay eid card kailiyay thay ?
saara says: main bhi kahon
momina says: she gets more of u as compared to me
momina says: or nahee tau kya
momina says: ek salla card...dekho
momina says: kitna rulla dya
Sound of Silence: SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARA
Saara: haan the closer u get ... utni hi galian sunnay ko milti hain
Saara: ji?
Sound of Silence: i thought u disappear
Sound of Silence: you message came quite late...
Saara: saara says: well ... unlike u ...fati keeps in contact wid me more than u do
momina says: or ooper say u two lesbians! u write her freaking LOVE letters!!
momina says: aayyooo!
saara says: now u know the consequences
aara says: lol
saara says: lol
saara says: lol
momina says: sick
saara says: my god 1!!!
saara says: acha
momina says: i mean....
momina says: please sara
Sound of Silence: hehe...:)
Saara: saara says: phir the cards mustav got mixed up ...
momina says: or ooper say ur 60 KGS!!!!
momina says: oh my god
saara says: the one to ma love n the one to fait
saara says: lol
saara says: dont worryu
momina says: hahha
saara says: ghat raha hai
momina says: oye motteeee
momina says: kam khaa
saara says: at least daikhnay main
saara says: aur meray damagh main
momina says: mar jayay gee kha kha kay
saara says: haan haan bilkul
saara says: matlab
saara says: look whose talkin !!!
momina says: ooper say biscuits ban rahay hain jee eid pay
saara says: acha acha bas!!!!
momina says: wazzan kam kernay kay bajjayay mashAllah
momina says: harkatein tau check kerain!
saara says: matlab logon kay letters parhti ho
saara says: chalo ji !!!!
momina says: matlab kya?
momina says: meri marzee
Sound of Silence: sincce when u become moteee:)..lol
Saara: saara says: matlab
momina says: abh tum mujhay nai bhejtee
saara says: ap ko bari fikr hai main maron ...
momina says: tau mein fati kay hee parhoon gee nah
saara says: yeh to hai
Saara: kaha na ... jitni close dosti ... utna hi sunnay ko milta hai
Saara: saara says: ap nai muje bhaija ?
momina says: banda beech mein jhoot hee likh daita hay "love to momi"
saara says: no wait ... OF COURSE U DID
momina says: bheja hay jee
momina says: mill jayay gah
saara says: lol
saara says: haan bilkul
saara says: mera pata laga hai
saara says: to bhaija hai
saara says: muje tum donon kay baray main pata hia
momina says: bus uss mein apna naam likhna bhool gayee thee fati kay saath
saara says: lol
momina says:
momina says:
saara says: C !!!!!!
saara says: well
saara says: im not surprised
momina says: what see
momina says: abay chall
momina says:
momina says: anyway
saara says: not see, C
Saara: are u gettin bored ya baqi bhi bhaij don ?... its jus that ... this is another part of me ...( humain to bas yehi fikr lagi rahti hai k haider shud understand saara:P)
Saara: momina says: belated eid mubarak
momina says: wats up with u s
aara says: so hows miss most popular in uni doin in her studies?
saara says: khair mubara k
momina says: hows life coming alog
Sound of Silence: lol....yeh never ending fight hai...i dont think even ur frnd will give up:)
Saara: saara says: aur ap ko bhi eid mubarak
saara says: n selamat hari raya
saara says: n happy deepavali
momina says: thnku!
saara says: n happy halloweeen
momina says:
Sound of Silence: ({)
Saara: nah ... v neva give up ... frdship hi yehi hai :D
: Sound of Silence: )
Saara: (})
Sound of Silence: :)
Sound of Silence: hey
Sound of Silence: i gtg now....
Saara: momina says: waisay tumhara kutta kaisa hay
saara says: kutta nahi hai yaar
saara says: thak gai hoon logon ko samjha samjha kay
momina says: woh jo tumharay saath baitha hay
saara says: its a pet wolf saara says: !!!
momina says: hahaha
Saara: :(
Sound of Silence: will catch u later...
Sound of Silence: kutaa<<Saara: :P
Sound of Silence: oh god
Saara: lol
Saara: u havent read the whole of it yet
Saara: khair
Saara: GO!
Saara: :P
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: saara says: its sending u a lovin howl
saara says:
momina says: barri pyaree joree hay mashAllah
momina says: nzaar nah laggay
saara says: ji bas
saara says: kia kahian
momina says: tau wahan pay humans can get involved with wolves?
momina says: cool....waisay bhee u never liked human males
momina says: must be a reason...
saara says: lol...
momina says: what do wolves have tht human males dont have...
hehehe
Saara: momina says: how would i know....ud know better
saara says: yeah yeah
saara says: wateva
momina says: accha...mujhay gaaliyan daina band kero
saara says: x cuse me !
saara says: me?
saara says: galian
Sound of Silence: chalooo i gtg now
Saara: NOOOOOOO
Saara: nahi nahi
Saara: ap jain ...
Saara: hum ap ko nahi rokain gay
Saara: Allah hafiz
Saara: are u callin to morrow ?
Sound of Silence: should i
Sound of Silence: i am worried about frequency
Saara: i dunno ...
Saara: lol
Saara: haan
Sound of Silence: ;)
Saara: ura lain mazak
Saara: kiun kal ka din nahi banta ?
Sound of Silence: ill call you inshallah
Sound of Silence: tell me the time?
Saara: jus call weneva ur free...
Saara: no time
Sound of Silence: ok
Saara: now GO !!!
Saara: go go !
Sound of Silence: you know what .i have to conduct a workshop at 7:00 sheraton hotel for PTCL..30 govt guys
Sound of Silence: and havnt prepared *yikes
Sound of Silence: lol
Saara: :D
Saara: yup... that ;s my haider
Sound of Silence: its almost 6:00
Saara: ji ji ...
Sound of Silence: i really wan to chat right now but:(
Saara: now GO
Saara: awww
Saara: (})
Saara: ach a
Saara: main is tarah karti hoon
Saara: khud offline ho jati hoon
Sound of Silence: no no
Saara: phir baad main blame muj pay aiyga
Sound of Silence: thats ok
Sound of Silence: ok take care by
Sound of Silence: e
Saara: lol
Sound of Silence: LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)
Saara: i don have anybody else to talk to anyway
Sound of Silence: Allah Hafiz
Saara: yeah jo bhi :P
Saara: Allah hafi z

convs. between psychowork and daggers1

8th November 2005

ME!!!:D : sowie...
ME!!!:D : pc apni usual masti kar rahi hai
Sound of Silence:oh ok
Sound of Silence:lol
ME!!!:D : hey !!!!!!!!!
ME!!!:D : i tot u'd del this pic !!!!!!!!!!!!
ME!!!:D : is main bhi i suppose i look 12?
Sound of Silence:you loook very much Saara!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ME!!!:D : ^o) what does that mean ?
ME!!!:D : btw... this smiley is not a 'sarcastic' smiley ...
Sound of Silence:that means u look very much haider's choice;)
ME!!!:D : it jus means ...i dont get what ur sayin ...
ME!!!:D : oooo!!! im so glad:P:P:P:P:P
ME!!!:D : doesnt the age diff ever bother u ... i mean i know its pretty common... par phir bhi ?
Sound of Silence:i guess i should ask u this question
Sound of Silence: well mentally any person is compatible then physical appearance doesnt matter
ME!!!:D ::)... EXCELLENT strategy ...
ME!!!:D : jus turn the talbes on me :P
ME!!!:D : table*
Sound of Silence: :P
ME!!!:D : khair ...
ME!!!:D : bout me ...
ME!!!:D : well... im extremely intimidated ...
ME!!!:D : matlab ... i know u think im very sarcastic par meray lihaz say main nai apnay ap ko bohot control main rakha hua hia ....
ME!!!:D : par at the same time ...
ME!!!:D : muje lagta hia kay...
ME!!!:D : its a good thing...
ME!!!:D : coz if ud been too close to my age ...
ME!!!:D : i'd prolly be trampling all over u ...
ME!!!:D : this way u keep me in check
ME!!!:D ::D
Sound of Silence: so what else
Sound of Silence: say somthing saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaara
ME!!!:D : lol...
ME!!!:D : matlab itni lambi bongi mari hai
ME!!!:D : agay say koi comment hi mar daita hai banda
ME!!!:D : ya phir messages milay hi nahi ?
Sound of Silence: maara thaa phir delete kiya
Sound of Silence: coz comment mairay khud samujh main nahee araha thaa:)
ME!!!:D : lol
ME!!!:D : phir muje log kahtay hain kay confused hai
Sound of Silence: i mean i couldnt understand my onw comment os i deleted it:)
Sound of Silence: lol
ME!!!:D : yeah i know... i understodd
ME!!!:D : so... how come this pic is still with u ?
ME!!!:D : i tot i asked u to del it
ME!!!:D : n i tot u did
i ME!!!:D : nfact i remember u tellin methat u did
Sound of Silence: coz i dont have nay pic of urs so i kept it with me
Sound of Silence: i did
ME!!!:D : n u lied ?
Sound of Silence: but if u remember i told u that my pc got some virus and i had to reinstall everything so when i took the backup i saw the pic still in my my document
ME!!!:D : ahan
Sound of Silence: i didnt lied i hide:)
ME!!!:D : n since i din rememeber to tell u kay back up wala bhi del kardain
Sound of Silence::$
ME!!!:D : u din
Sound of Silence: no u never said that ok
ME!!!:D ::S
ME!!!:D : wohi to main kah rahi hon
ME!!!:D : i dint ... so u took the liberty of assuming k its ok
ME!!!:D : hain a?
i wish u hadnt ...
Sound of Silence: i guess so
Sound of Silence: tell me onthing..do u really think that u can live with me happily...
ME!!!:D : i have no doubts of my capcity to love ...
ME!!!:D : its the reciprocation that i fear ...
Sound of Silence: well
ME!!!:D : 'v always tended to love ppl a bit too much more than they deserve
Sound of Silence: so do i deserve or not?
ME!!!:D : n seriously ur gettint he brunt of everybody else's faults ...
Sound of Silence: lol
ME!!!:D : well ...
ME!!!:D : i love you ...
ME!!!:D : n seriously hope k i don get any reason to have to wipe it out
Sound of Silence: :-O you do....* i thought u just like me and trying to develop feelings...
Sound of Silence: oh god ill fall from my chair now
ME!!!:D : ol...
Sound of Silence sent the wink "Bow"
ME!!!:D : nah ... im VERY VERY stron wen it comes to controllin emotions
ME!!!:D : lol
ME!!!:D : as in ... NOT SHOWIN wat i feel
Sound of Silence: this "I LOVE YOU " IS YOUR HORMONE REACTION OR THE PERMANENT THING
Sound of Silence: :)
ME!!!:D : or ...
ME!!!:D : ts as permanent as u'll allow it to be ...
Sound of Silence::) OK
ME!!!:D : lol
ME!!!:D : im sorry ... i cant actually say it on the phone
ME!!!:D : ts jus NOT me
Sound of Silence: i know that saara...:)
Sound of Silence: lol
ME!!!:D : aur waisay bhi ... like i said ... i dont beleve in words...
ME!!!:D : iv always had much better ways of expressin my feelings...
Sound of Silence: belive it or not i love you more then u can even think of it
ME!!!:D : its jus a matter of patiecne on ur part ...
ME!!!:D : bas bas ...
ME!!!:D : thik hia ... ziada romantic honay ki zarorat nahi
Sound of Silence: so do u think i am expressive enuff to show how much i love you?
ME!!!:D : i KNOW...
ME!!!:D : are u kiddin?.... ur DYIN to say it ...
Sound of Silence: :$lol
ME!!!:D : but iv been puttin on a good reign dont u think
Sound of Silence: yes i agree
Sound of Silence::)
ME!!!:D : actually ... i dont want to spend the measly hour that v have everyday on love talks
ME!!!:D : its jus bout the stupidest thin to do....
Sound of Silence: its not about love talks only its also about understanding eachother
ME!!!:D : dont worry
ME!!!:D : i understand u quite well...
Sound of Silence: i call u everyday so we can know eachother more
ME!!!:D : aur rahi baat whether U understan ME...
ME!!!:D : EXACTLY
Sound of Silence::)
ME!!!:D : no point wasting it on romance ...
Sound of Silence: when u like or love someone so romance is automatically ther but i would prefer to spend time understanding eachother ...
ME!!!:D : good ...
ME!!!:D : coz im not allowin any love talks MR HAIDER :
ME!!!:D : :P
Sound of Silence: hehehe
Sound of Silence: is this a threat;)
Sound of Silence: lol
ME!!!:D ::D;)... beleve me
Sound of Silence: and is this will last til marriage or even after marriage:)
ME!!!:D : KNOW EXACLTY how much power i have over u
ME!!!:D : lol...
ME!!!:D : set the rules:P
ME!!!:D : u wait n see what happens
Sound of Silence: heheheh
Sound of Silence: oh god i am scared now:)
ME!!!:D : lol
Sound of Silence: so what will happen
Sound of Silence: nwo i am excited:)
ME!!!:D : as well u shud ...
ME!!!:D : lol...
ME!!!:D : bas bas ... tameez
ME!!!:D : lets switch topics ...
ME!!!:D : iv been meanin to ask u
ME!!!:D : do u agree that i can b very stubborn at times ...?even hard headed?
Sound of Silence: lol...i know you are,,,
Sound of Silence: but
Sound of Silence: i dont think its stubborn or hard headed as u have reason which are common to mine
ME!!!:D : ok..... n u also know ... k i have weird ideas bout some stuff ...'eccentric' is the word u used
Sound of Silence: yes
ME!!!:D : n thrs something that iv always wanted to do... its jus an idea ... n im not sure yet how determined bout it i am ... par supposing i become EXTREMELY determined ... i wanna know how ur gonna handle it
Sound of Silence: like what
Sound of Silence: tell me
ME!!!:D : its a big undertaking... n seriously widout ur support its bound to be useless..
Sound of Silence: tell me
ME!!!:D : well... for me career had never been of any importance ... for all my good results n brains i havent an iota of ambition...
ME!!!:D : what i want is a family to look after ...
ME!!!:D : ME!!!:D : n i have nothing against havin kids ...
ME!!!:D : but i once read about a family ...
ME!!!:D : they ... ummm adopted kids from all over the world...
ME!!!:D : so it was kinda a multicultural family ...
ME!!!:D : the idea has always intrigued...
ME!!!:D : n iv read about unmarried women adopting kids ...
ME!!!:D : i guess its jjus that ...
ME!!!:D : i feel kay there are so many kids out thr whom i can love ...
ME!!!:D : who are suffering ...
Sound of Silence: i know what u mean
ME!!!:D ::S
Sound of Silence: saara ill call u on this after an hour
Sound of Silence: is that ok
ME!!!:D : call ?
ME!!!:D : ummm
Sound of Silence: i have to go now
ME!!!:D : ok
Sound of Silence: ill call u
Sound of Silence: ok
ME!!!:D : but dont call
ME!!!:D : kal hi baat hogi
Sound of Silence: i will;)
Sound of Silence: ok
ME!!!:D : k then
Sound of Silence: the only reaos ill call coz i dont wnat u think that i havnt take ur topic seriously
ME!!!:D : so are u or are u not callin g?
Sound of Silence: its just i was reading u rmessage and suddenly hav to go for some office work
Sound of Silence: i wll
ME!!!:D : that's ok i understand
ME!!!:D : (})
Sound of Silence: take care love u a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ME!!!:D : sometimes its hard to control
ME!!!:D : sigh
Sound of Silence: ({)
ME!!!:D : yeah
Sound of Silence: thanks:)
Sound of Silence: bye
Sound of Silence: Allah Hafiz
ME!!!:D : bye
ME!!!:D : Allah hafiz

Jodie and Mary case study (Ethics)

Second term of college (Rima)...
I've taken Ethics... initially i thought it'd be a total waste of time...
matlab! why in the world would i want to study something that has been instilled in me - in an ongoing process - throughout my life?

infact, that was my first question in the class...
the teach's ans. was pretty disappointing:
" coz that's how the American curriculum is..."

i'd say the Americans have pretty low confidence in their family structure that they'd need a SCHOOL to teach their kids how to be polite...

par since then,


it has become one of ma fav subs... coz all we do is discuss issues and case studies... at times pretty heated ... since the class comprises of a melting pot of cultures, you get a lot of feedback... (the 'melting pot' part seems a bit 'verbose' nahi ?)

one of the discussions we had, that really got to me was about a pair of conjoined twins...
btw... the teach handed out some case studies of which the twin was one...

wait... i'll type the excerpt from the handout itself
here goes:


1.3. Second Example: Jodie and Mary

In August 2000, a young woman from Gozo, an island near Malta, discovered that she was carrying conjoined twins. Knowing that health-care on Gozo were inadequate to deal with the complications of such a birth, she and her husband came to St. Mary's Hospital in Manchester, England to have the babies delivered. The infants, known as Mary and Jodie, were joined at the lower abdomen. Their spines were fused, and they had one heart and one set of lungs between them. Jodie, the stronger, was providing blood for her sister.

No one knows how many sets of conjoined twins are born each year. They are rare, although the recent birth of three sets in Oregon led to speculation that the number is on the rise. ( " The United States has very good hearlth care and very poor record keeping," commented one doctor.) The causes of the phenomenon are largely unknown, but we do know that conjoined twins are a variant of identical twins. When the cell cluster ( the 'pre-embryo') splits three to eight days after fertilisation, identical twins are created; when the split is delayed a few days longer, the division may be incomplete and the twins may be conjoined.

Some sets of conjoined twins do well .They grow to adulthood and sometimes marry and have children themselves. But the lookout for Mary and Jodie was grim. The doctors said that, without intervention, they would die within six months. The only hope was an operation to separate them. This would save Jodie, but Mary would die immediately.

The parents, who are devout Catholics, refused permission for the operation on the grounds that it would hasten Mary's death. " We believe taht nature should take its course, " said the parents. " If it's God's will that both our children should not survive then so be it." The hospital, believing it was obliged to do what it could to save at least one of the infants, asked the courts for permission to separate them despite the parents' wishes. The courts granted permissiosn, and on November 6 the operation was performed. As expected, Jodie lived and Mary died.

In thinking about this case, we should separate the question of who should make the decision from the question of what the decision should be. You might think, for example, that the decision should be left to the parents, in which case you will object to the court's intrusion. But there remains the separete question of what would be the wisest choice for the parents (or anyone else ) to make. We will focus on the latter question: Would it be right or wrong, in these circumstances, to separete the twins?

The Argument That We Should Save as Many as We Can. The obvious argument for separating the twins is that we have a choice between saving one infant or letting both die. Isn't it plainly better to save one? This argument is so appealing that many people will conclude, without further ado that this settles the matter. At the height of the controversy over this case, when the newspapers were full of stories about Jodie and Mary, the Ladies Home Journal commissioned a poll to discover what Americans thought.The poll showed that 78% approved of the operation. People were obviously persuaded by the idea that we should save as many as we can. Jodie and Mary's parents, however, believed there is an even stronger argument on the other side.

The Argument From the Sanctity of Human Life. The parents loved both their children, and they thougt it would be wrong to sacrifice one of them even to save the other. Of course, they were not alone in taking this view. The idea that all human life is precious, regardless of age, race, social class, or handicap, is at the the core of the Western moral tradition. It is especially emphasized in religious writings. In traditional ethics, the prohibition upon killing innocent humans is said to be absolute. It does not matter if the killing would serve a very good purpose; it simply cannot be done. Mary is an innocent human being, and so she may not be killed.

Is this a sound argument? The judges who heard the case in court did not think so, for a surprising reason. They denied that the traditional principle applied in this case. Lord Justice Robert Walker said that, in performing the operation, Mary would not be killed. She would merely be separeated from her sister, and then " She would die, not becase she was intentionally killed , but because her own body cannot sustain her life." In other words, the cause of ther death would not be the operation but her own weakness. The physicians also seem to have taken this view. When the operation finally was performed, they went through the motions of trying to keep Mary alive --" giving her every chance" -- even though they knew it was futile.

The judge's point may seem a bit sophistical. Surely, you might think, it doesnt matter whther we say that Mary's death is caused by the operation or by her own body's weakness. Either way, she will be dead, and her death will have come sooner than if she had not been separated from her sister.

There is, however, a more natural objection to the Argument form the Sanctity of Life, that does not rely on such a strained point. One might reply that it is not always wrong to kill innocent human beings. In rare situations, it may be right. In particular , if a) the innocent human is going to die soon no matter what; b) the innocent human has no wish to go on living, perhaps because she is so mentally undeveloped as to have no wishes at all; and c) killing the innocent human will save the life of others, who can then go on to have good full lives -- in these rare circumstances, the killing of the innocent might be justified. Of couse, many moraliste, especially religious thinkers, will not be convinced. Nevertheless, this is a line of thought that many people may find persuasive.

OK... well...
i have a jumble of ideas bounding around in my head...
first off... i dont really have a specific stand on the issue of WHAT THE DECISION should be
infact, for most of the class, i was ranting on about how the court had NO right to decide for the parents...
i mean...
1. the parents are the one who would have to live with the consequence of the decision... the court will simply forget about it after a couple of months
2. those twins belong to the parents ... up until a certain age... parents act as guardian for their kids which = the parents make the decisions for the kids ... where the hell does the court come into this picture
3. the way I see it, the court is contradicting its own function... its actually wresting away the parents right as guardians...
4. also, i thought that the judiciary exists in order to mediate between two rivalling parties... whr are the two rivalling parties in this case? if u think that its parents vs hospital... then i totally disagree, i mean if the hospital really has the right, morally or legally to decide who is to have an operation n who not... docs wont keep asking patients before hand... ( im not sure bout this one but i think there is some paperwork involved where the patient or whoever is acting for the patient CONFIRMS the patients willingness to undergo the treatment... hmm... shud prolly check on this .. shrug )


AMAZINGLY, most of the rest of the class... ( by this i basically mean everybody else who participates in the discussinon... about half remain mum...)
thinks that the court has every right to intervene...
matlab!!! would you let the neighbour come in, run all over you , n tell you how to run ur house... ok... a pathetic example, i hate giving examples anyway
par it does give u an idea of what im trying to say right ?

one of the girls was pretty adamant...
she said if she'd been the parent, she'd DEFINITELY get them separated... her emphasis infact was on the fact that all conjoined twins should be immediately separated no matter the consequence... she obviously had the notion that nobody, NOBODY could live a normal healthy life stuck to a twin... (back to this later @ ****)
but then i found that irrelevant... what mattered to me was not whether it was important to separate the twins... it was more of protecting Mary's individuality...( since Jodie's was not under any threat...) n also my disagreement with the amount of authority given to the court of course...

another thing which almost made me cry was the way EVERYBODY seemed to agree that it was ok that the parents let go of Mary if Jodie had - as a consequence - a chance to survive...
matlab!!! hello !!!
thik hai Mary is weak... par i thought it was in the core of humane ideology that everybody be treated equally both the weak and the strong...
to tell u the truth , i can also understand the 'survival of the fittest' concept... par the way everybody jus brushed off Mary's existence was ......



HURTFUL...



no seriously, it was...
when you come right down to it, i don't really beleve that there is a course of action that is THE RIGHT thing to do...
it really all depends on the person who has the authority to decide ... in this case - i beleve- the parents... which is why i got all mad wid the court

(cont ****)
oh... n interesting thing i picked up
one of the girls... Karishma apparently knew or knew of a pair of conjoined twins... grown up and not separated...
apparently, they were UNWILLIng to separate as they had been together their entire life... not very hard to understand ( at least for me )

food for thought:
the court interfered...
it got what it wanted...
i beleve in fate...
if the court was SUPPOSED to interfere and get what it wanted ...
WHY the hell am i so upset about it...
but then... if Jodie was meant to survive ... maybe she would have without the court's help... n likewise Mary's death...
LOL...
im reading this again...
im so silly !!!
its like the 'did the egg or chicken come first?' wala problem...


some comments on text:

We will focus on the latter question: Would it be right or wrong, in these circumstances, to separate the twins?
Of course this is just my perspective, but should we not focus on WHO decides rather than what the decision is? I mean, there IS no clear-cut answer to WHAT the decision should be. Under similar circumstances, the parents are always more likely to let fate decide and onlookers to want to save one of the child. In fact, the way I see it, the WHAT decision depends entirely upon WHO decides.

The idea that all human life is precious, regardless of age, race, social class or handicap is at the core of Western moral tradition.
Excuse me? I resent the singling out of 'Western' moral tradition. The rest of the human race isn't exaclty a bunch of cutthroats you know.

Lord Justice Robert Walker said that, in performing the operation, Mary would not be killed. She would merely be separated from her sister, and then, " She would die not because she was intentionally killed, but because her own body cannot sustain her." In other words the cause of her death will not be the operation but her own weakness.
lol.
hmmm... lemme try a hand at 'word manipulation' myself...
death according to Merriam-Webster dictionary : a permanent cessation of all vital functions
and since most vital functions are irrevocbly interconnected, a damage/ cessation of one may adversely or even fatally affect all others.
The separation (operation) was the direct cause of damage/ cessation to some of these vital functions...
how then can you not say that a doctor fully aware of the consequences of the operation could not POSSIBLY be 'intentionally killing' Mary?

sophistical
meaning of sophistical:
1 : of or relating to sophists , sophistry, or the ancient Sophists 2 : plausible but fallacious - so·phis·ti·cal·ly

One might reply that it is not always wrong to kill innocent humans beings. In rare situations, it may be right. In particular if a) the innocent human is going to die soon no matter what b) the innocent human has no wish to go on living, perhaps because she is so mentally undeveloped as to have no wishes at all c) killing innocent human can save the life of others, who can then go on to have good full lives
a) how do you decide when 'soon ' is ... and anyway, who ARE we do decide that ...
b) in my religion, it is absolutely forbidden to take one's own life or anybody elses and i fully agree... doing so will be an expression of utter ingratitude...and anyway, taking the easy way out is never the solution... also the suffering may to a great degree atone our sins ( i know, this is a lot of religious drivel... its mostly for my own record... i dont expect to convince anybody by it)
c) this is the silliest reason i have ever heard of... killing ANYBODY is bound to benefit SOMEBODY ... and how a person can live a 'good full life' knowing that he was the cause of death of another/others is beyond my understanding.

from To Kill A Mockingbird

" Scout, I think I'm beginning to understand something. I think I'm beginning to understand why Boo Radley's stayed shut up in the house all this time... its because he wants to stay inside."

To Kill A Mockingbird
Harper Lee

Its hard to explain this one. If i tried i wouldnt be doing it justice. But its full of significance. You seriously need to read the entire book to understand what i mean. I'v read it once before. Par didnt really understand it then. It's really a wonderful book and surprisingly funny as well. I love the writer's sense of humor. :D

The Cynics

The story goes that one day Socrates stood gazing at a stall that sold all kinds of wares. Finally he said," What a lot of things i don't need!"

This statement could be the motto for the Cynic school of philosophy, founded by Antisthenes in Athens around 400 B.C.

Antisthenes had been a pupil of Socrates, and had become particularly interested in his frugality.

The Cynics emphasized that true happiness is not found in external advantages such s material luxury, political power, or good health. True happiness lies in not being dependent on such random and fleeting things. And because happiness does not consist in benefits of this kind, it is within everyone's reach. Moreover, having once been attained, it can never be lost.

The best known of the Cynics was Diogenes, a pupil of Antistheneds, who reputedly lived in a barrel and owned nothing but a clooak, a stick and a bread bag. ( So it wasnt easy to steal his happiness from him!) One day while he was sitting beside his barrel enjoying the su, he was visited by Alexander teh Great. the emperor stood before him and asked if there was anything he could do for him. Was there anything he desired? " Yes" , Diogenes replied. "Stand to one side. You're blocking the sun." Thus Diogenes showed that he was no less happy and rich than the great man before him. He had everything he desired.

The Cynics believed that people did not need to be concerned about their own health. Even suffering and death should not disturb them. Nor should they let themselves be tormented by concern for other people's woes.

Nowadays the terms 'cynical' and 'cynicism' have come to mean a sneering disbelief in human sincerity, and they imply insensitivity to other people's suffering.

Sophie's World
Jostein Gaarden

Actually its only the first two sentences that really caught my eye... somehow the whole thing got typed :D ... i'v always thought the same way... inevitably it has made me think kay others think the wrong way... i mean... how can u NOT agree ?...

scraps from Sophie's World

A hydrogen atom in a cell at the end of my nose was once part of an elephant's trunk. A carbon atom in my cardiac muscle was once in the tail of a dinosaur.
Sophie's World
Jostein Gaarden


I'v never perceived things in this way... its really interesting dont you think?... i mean... of course i knew about the conservation of matter and energy... par this is a nice... rather... thought provoking way of saying it , haina?

One thing only I know, and that is that I know nothing . (Socrates)
Sophie's World
Jostein Gaarden